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		<title>Comment on Reclaim our NHS march and rally in York, April 6th by Liz Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/7716#comment-4336</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just back in Hull from the march in York. Very inspiring to see the people we passed receiving our leaflets and some of them clapping us.  
We need to keep up the momentum and do this very regularly.
Thanks to all the speakers, particulary Dermot Rathbone, who only came back from 5 days in  a London hospital yesterday, and came to address us even though his treatment leaves him tired
The band who led us were wonderful and make all the difference in drawing attention to the cause we are fighting for..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just back in Hull from the march in York. Very inspiring to see the people we passed receiving our leaflets and some of them clapping us.<br />
We need to keep up the momentum and do this very regularly.<br />
Thanks to all the speakers, particulary Dermot Rathbone, who only came back from 5 days in  a London hospital yesterday, and came to address us even though his treatment leaves him tired<br />
The band who led us were wonderful and make all the difference in drawing attention to the cause we are fighting for..</p>
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		<title>Comment on What did you do in the climate change war, daddy? James Balogh chased ice. by Dave Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/6728#comment-4333</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So some were cheerful and some were slitting their wrists.  Not sure what this proves.  Maybe you should have sat next to one of the cheerful ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So some were cheerful and some were slitting their wrists.  Not sure what this proves.  Maybe you should have sat next to one of the cheerful ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Calderdale Council refuses Freedom of Information request about proposed PFI waste incinerator by Paul Hu Lim</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/7806#comment-4327</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hu Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely correct, the Leeds and Yorkshires residents can justly say that these projects are not only not wanted but unnecessarily a waste of the Tax Payers&#039; hard-earned money. Please remember that there is no such thing as Government Money, the Government are the Stewards of the Public&#039;s and the Tax Payers&#039; money. As such they should be looking at saving money and not spending it unwarranted;y. 

As you will have noted over the weeks there has been a record of statements made from here (this writer) that the need for this incinerator in North Yorkshire County and York City (NYC and YC) Councils has been faulted all along. There was never a need for it as there has always been a substantive alternative available and ready to go from the outset that this was proposed.
When the original invitations to the proposal was raised back in 2006 there was then an interest from a company that even then had proposed taking the recovered materials (or biodegradable fraction) from these sources of municipal solid waste in this area and to turn this in to the renewable transport fuels. At that time the Consulting Engineers and the Advisors and the Council Waste Management in the NYC and YC Councils were adamant that they would only go for the option that they had proposed – an Incinerator and Waste to Energy Plant. 

They were told then that there was an alternative and far better environmental option that did not have the environmental detractors that an incinerator had and that a proposal was available that would take this same material and make the liquid biofuels from it. 

They were also told that their budget at £400+million could be reduced by £200+ million by opting for this route. 

They were told that the proposal would make such a sufficiency of biofuels that within 4 to 6 years of start up it would produce an income stream which would pay for the building and its operations and maintenance totally and outright and then produce a positive income which if they wished – both – Leeds and the North Yorkshire County Council and York City Council could share in that benefit by:-
1] reducing the treatment costs from £25-00 per tonne to £00-00 (£Zero) per tonne,
and
2] provide a biofuel as Butanol which could be used in the area&#039;s public transport as a clean fuel. Now this is a benefit that cannot be bettered. The fuel can add to the cleanliness of York City and the local area and be used directly as a replacement for diesel. Don&#039;t you need clean-fuels in your buses? Of course you do, and this benefit will last for ever!

They were also told that this would eliminate any need for the two Councils to seek a PFI requirement to finance the project as it could be financed by a structured in-Council borrowing without support from Government. 

They were told also that with current policies across the EU an incineration-style waste-to-energy plant (be it incineration or gasification etc as the Advanced Thermal Treatment processes or their equivalents) would not be as easily accepted by the Public unlike the process as proposed by this Company. Now, 7 years later, they have reaped their rewards!

What is evident still is that these same Councils have totally ignored the runes of the time in 2006. All these statements have come to the forefront of today. 

The Councils of North Yorkshire County and York City should now be fully aware that there is a proposal in South Milford which is Shovel-Ready and Awaiting to Go with Planning Approval on the Old Maltings Site and that it has the capacity to accept all the Wastes derived after recycling from this area and that it can be used to make the biofuels. This plant at South Milford which is currently being used to make a Compost is awaiting the start to do just this and it is costed at less than £110 Million in terms of building. That is less than a third of the current estimated value of the building of this plant at Allerton. 

Furthermore the total cost estimated to build operate and run this plant will not incur the £1.4Billion or the £1,400,000,000-00 that is currently being blagged around as the value over 25 years for this programme as it will generate a real income for the area and deliver a fuel which can be used locally.

Please please please Council Tax Payers realise that the real issue here is that the alternative proposal here is that it will not cost you an “arm and a leg” and it will save you money that can then be put to better uses in say your Schools and Social Services and the Likes.

Please please please Council Tax Payers realise that this is nothing to do with the process – which we all agree is not the best as it would discharge noxious gases and carcinogens over the area, and that will not happen with the proposal which is totally enclosed in water – but that you will not have to pay for ever and a day for this proposal as this will provide you with the potential to Reduce Council Taxes: beat that!

Let your MPs in Parliament know and your Councillors also know what you think here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely correct, the Leeds and Yorkshires residents can justly say that these projects are not only not wanted but unnecessarily a waste of the Tax Payers&#8217; hard-earned money. Please remember that there is no such thing as Government Money, the Government are the Stewards of the Public&#8217;s and the Tax Payers&#8217; money. As such they should be looking at saving money and not spending it unwarranted;y. </p>
<p>As you will have noted over the weeks there has been a record of statements made from here (this writer) that the need for this incinerator in North Yorkshire County and York City (NYC and YC) Councils has been faulted all along. There was never a need for it as there has always been a substantive alternative available and ready to go from the outset that this was proposed.<br />
When the original invitations to the proposal was raised back in 2006 there was then an interest from a company that even then had proposed taking the recovered materials (or biodegradable fraction) from these sources of municipal solid waste in this area and to turn this in to the renewable transport fuels. At that time the Consulting Engineers and the Advisors and the Council Waste Management in the NYC and YC Councils were adamant that they would only go for the option that they had proposed – an Incinerator and Waste to Energy Plant. </p>
<p>They were told then that there was an alternative and far better environmental option that did not have the environmental detractors that an incinerator had and that a proposal was available that would take this same material and make the liquid biofuels from it. </p>
<p>They were also told that their budget at £400+million could be reduced by £200+ million by opting for this route. </p>
<p>They were told that the proposal would make such a sufficiency of biofuels that within 4 to 6 years of start up it would produce an income stream which would pay for the building and its operations and maintenance totally and outright and then produce a positive income which if they wished – both – Leeds and the North Yorkshire County Council and York City Council could share in that benefit by:-<br />
1] reducing the treatment costs from £25-00 per tonne to £00-00 (£Zero) per tonne,<br />
and<br />
2] provide a biofuel as Butanol which could be used in the area&#8217;s public transport as a clean fuel. Now this is a benefit that cannot be bettered. The fuel can add to the cleanliness of York City and the local area and be used directly as a replacement for diesel. Don&#8217;t you need clean-fuels in your buses? Of course you do, and this benefit will last for ever!</p>
<p>They were also told that this would eliminate any need for the two Councils to seek a PFI requirement to finance the project as it could be financed by a structured in-Council borrowing without support from Government. </p>
<p>They were told also that with current policies across the EU an incineration-style waste-to-energy plant (be it incineration or gasification etc as the Advanced Thermal Treatment processes or their equivalents) would not be as easily accepted by the Public unlike the process as proposed by this Company. Now, 7 years later, they have reaped their rewards!</p>
<p>What is evident still is that these same Councils have totally ignored the runes of the time in 2006. All these statements have come to the forefront of today. </p>
<p>The Councils of North Yorkshire County and York City should now be fully aware that there is a proposal in South Milford which is Shovel-Ready and Awaiting to Go with Planning Approval on the Old Maltings Site and that it has the capacity to accept all the Wastes derived after recycling from this area and that it can be used to make the biofuels. This plant at South Milford which is currently being used to make a Compost is awaiting the start to do just this and it is costed at less than £110 Million in terms of building. That is less than a third of the current estimated value of the building of this plant at Allerton. </p>
<p>Furthermore the total cost estimated to build operate and run this plant will not incur the £1.4Billion or the £1,400,000,000-00 that is currently being blagged around as the value over 25 years for this programme as it will generate a real income for the area and deliver a fuel which can be used locally.</p>
<p>Please please please Council Tax Payers realise that the real issue here is that the alternative proposal here is that it will not cost you an “arm and a leg” and it will save you money that can then be put to better uses in say your Schools and Social Services and the Likes.</p>
<p>Please please please Council Tax Payers realise that this is nothing to do with the process – which we all agree is not the best as it would discharge noxious gases and carcinogens over the area, and that will not happen with the proposal which is totally enclosed in water – but that you will not have to pay for ever and a day for this proposal as this will provide you with the potential to Reduce Council Taxes: beat that!</p>
<p>Let your MPs in Parliament know and your Councillors also know what you think here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Incredible Edible Mytholm? by jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/5783#comment-4326</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shall I add you to our membership list/mailing list? You&#039;re welcome to come to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/7616&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Field Day&lt;/a&gt; this Saturday and find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shall I add you to our membership list/mailing list? You&#8217;re welcome to come to our <a href="http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/7616" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Field Day</a> this Saturday and find out more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keep the NHS Public, say Calderdale SOS and 38 Degrees by Calderdale SOS in Action &#124; Calderdale Save Our Services</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/6545#comment-4325</link>
		<dc:creator>Calderdale SOS in Action &#124; Calderdale Save Our Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Commissioning Executive meeting on 17 January. More information here. Report on energyroyd.org.uk here. Updated SOS Defend Our NHS web page here. Membership of Shadow NHS Calderdale CCE updated here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Commissioning Executive meeting on 17 January. More information here. Report on energyroyd.org.uk here. Updated SOS Defend Our NHS web page here. Membership of Shadow NHS Calderdale CCE updated here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Incredible Edible Mytholm? by mel james</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/5783#comment-4324</link>
		<dc:creator>mel james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes I would also be interested in joining too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes I would also be interested in joining too</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hebden Bridge Matters&#8230;to Hibu/Yell Ltd by Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/6301#comment-4323</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart - I think what I may have not stressed in my original post, is that they were asking for more information in order to run a background/credit check, which I feel is over the top and uneccessary. Obviously i understand the need for contact details for the purposes of operating a business and placing an advert...but I&#039;m sorry, date of birth? Previous addresses? Too much information. They forget that I was the one that would have been paying them for the advert, and I wouldn&#039;t expect to be vetted in that way unless I was applying for a loan or a mortgage. 
Hope that helps explain my take on it a little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart &#8211; I think what I may have not stressed in my original post, is that they were asking for more information in order to run a background/credit check, which I feel is over the top and uneccessary. Obviously i understand the need for contact details for the purposes of operating a business and placing an advert&#8230;but I&#8217;m sorry, date of birth? Previous addresses? Too much information. They forget that I was the one that would have been paying them for the advert, and I wouldn&#8217;t expect to be vetted in that way unless I was applying for a loan or a mortgage.<br />
Hope that helps explain my take on it a little better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hebden Bridge Matters&#8230;to Hibu/Yell Ltd by jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/6301#comment-4322</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/can_unions_save_the_creative_class/ - interesting wider take on problem of journalists, writers, artists - freelancers generally - not getting paid properly as result of shifting economic landscape/neoliberalism. Which the HB Matters/HIBU/Yell.com lamentable copyright/no pay situation is a part of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/can_unions_save_the_creative_class/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/can_unions_save_the_creative_class/</a> &#8211; interesting wider take on problem of journalists, writers, artists &#8211; freelancers generally &#8211; not getting paid properly as result of shifting economic landscape/neoliberalism. Which the HB Matters/HIBU/Yell.com lamentable copyright/no pay situation is a part of.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hebden Bridge Matters&#8230;to Hibu/Yell Ltd by Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/6301#comment-4321</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Jon, who would think that if you place an advert in any form of advertising that they would actually need to know who you are! I have placed adverts in local papers and magazines for years and they all need contact details. 

Most magazines going out locally are only full of adverts, the fact that there is local content would appeal to me and keep me reading monthly editions especially if delivered free.

To produce and deliver must cost a fair bit of cash, to pay for all content as well? 

Some bitter people here who I think may have another agenda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Jon, who would think that if you place an advert in any form of advertising that they would actually need to know who you are! I have placed adverts in local papers and magazines for years and they all need contact details. </p>
<p>Most magazines going out locally are only full of adverts, the fact that there is local content would appeal to me and keep me reading monthly editions especially if delivered free.</p>
<p>To produce and deliver must cost a fair bit of cash, to pay for all content as well? </p>
<p>Some bitter people here who I think may have another agenda!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hebden Bridge retailers favour Growing Futures proposals by jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/7664#comment-4317</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, will defo add it to the plan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, will defo add it to the plan</p>
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